Indiana State at Purdue: MASTER DISCUSSION THREAD (2024)

pboiler18 said:

A rebuild. From a team that went 8-4 before this coach showed and in the portal era? LOL

We’ll be rebuilding forever then!

DL is much much better than you’d like to think you’re observing. It won’t be the DL that costs us these games. It will be out corners out on islands with 0 help vs good WRs. Easy to scheme and be successful against.

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Yes a rebuild. That team lost lots of key players and the last two recruiting classes of that coach were, at best, mediocre and towards the bottom of the conference. We saw it in how weak the WRs and corners were last season and how we had key holes in both lines and of course, not enough quality LBs.

There were certainly some key spots we had good players but if we don't get Card, QB would have been mediocre at best too.

I get folks don't like Walters. I have not decided whether he's ready or not. But to suggest this was anything other than a rebuild I'm sorry it's just nonsense.

qazplm said:

Yes a rebuild. That team lost lots of key players and the last two recruiting classes of that coach were, at best, mediocre and towards the bottom of the conference. We saw it in how weak the WRs and corners were last season and how we had key holes in both lines and of course, not enough quality LBs.

There were certainly some key spots we had good players but if we don't get Card, QB would have been mediocre at best too.

I get folks don't like Walters. I have not decided whether he's ready or not. But to suggest this was anything other than a rebuild I'm sorry it's just nonsense.

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It’s a false narrative. A rebuild? Please.

It’s only a rebuild because we chose to hire a guy who runs a scheme that’s untenable at the P4 level with the talent we will get vs the talent we will face.

BoilerN said:

Really? I’d be ok beating ND by 24.

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Yeah not the team I watched last night. We have a handful of players who have the talent to one day play for ND. I hope we don’t lose like 56-7. Im sure some may try to slam Walters for a blowout. It’s mfing stupid that we still play ND when the conference schedule gives us 3 top ten teams. We shouldn’t even be playing them.

pboiler18 said:

It’s a false narrative. A rebuild? Please.

It’s only a rebuild because we chose to hire a guy who runs a scheme that’s untenable at the P4 level with the talent we will get vs the talent we will face.

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Who did you think was coming here lol

Let’s examine Purdue

> near the very very VERY bottom of the 18 team conference historically
> ditto in recruiting dollars
> we schedule like we are a national power

I bet a bunch of guys laughed their ass off before they called Walters. If you’re a guy who is known as an innovative genius OR proven that you’re going to be good; why would you come to Purdue? To play Notre dame when Luke griffin and Drew Biber actually get playing time?

BCfanatic2020 said:

Yeah not the team I watched last night. We have a handful of players who have the talent to one day play for ND. I hope we don’t lose like 56-7. Im sure some may try to slam Walters for a blowout. It’s mfing stupid that we still play ND when the conference schedule gives us 3 top ten teams. We shouldn’t even be playing them.

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ND was on the schedule for 2024 lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng before we were set to play 3 other Top 10 teams.

Scheduling just seems to be something no one can agree on. We play 3 patsies and half the crowd complains because that's what Indinia does, not us. We play a tough schedule and the other half complains because we're not that good and can't compete with that schedule. It's a no-win situation, especially considering non-conference schedules are sometimes set as much as a decade in advance.

Chi-Boiler said:

ND was on the schedule for 2024 lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng before we were set to play 3 other Top 10 teams.

Scheduling just seems to be something no one can agree on. We play 3 patsies and half the crowd complains because that's what Indinia does, not us. We play a tough schedule and the other half complains because we're not that good and can't compete with that schedule. It's a no-win situation, especially considering non-conference schedules are sometimes set as much as a decade in advance.

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No the win situation is to play patsies and bowl games to build buzz and a tradition that leads to better recruits and so on.

If a handful of folks don't like it, they will like years of tough schedules and 4-5 win seasons even less.

Chi-Boiler said:

ND was on the schedule for 2024 lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng before we were set to play 3 other Top 10 teams.

Scheduling just seems to be something no one can agree on. We play 3 patsies and half the crowd complains because that's what Indinia does, not us. We play a tough schedule and the other half complains because we're not that good and can't compete with that schedule. It's a no-win situation, especially considering non-conference schedules are sometimes set as much as a decade in advance.

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Yep, football scheduling is gonna be a whole lot different now that we have a 12-team playoff and two super conferences. We're going to see a lot more like Lincoln Riley at USC, who is trying to get ND off the schedule after 2026. Every school in the SEC and Big Ten will be facing 2-3-4 top ten teams every year.

pboiler18 said:

It’s a false narrative. A rebuild? Please.

It’s only a rebuild because we chose to hire a guy who runs a scheme that’s untenable at the P4 level with the talent we will get vs the talent we will face.

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It was a rebuild before that bud. The defense was a joke. The offense bereft of playmakers. You're mad because you wanted some super offensive genius to come and maybe squeak out six wins.

I have no idea if Walters is the guy. I do know the talent level ok the team has improved significantly over what was there when Brohm left.

I also know if Brohm kept recruiting like he did his last two seasons, we'd all be calling for his head right about now.

Chi-Boiler said:

ND was on the schedule for 2024 lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng before we were set to play 3 other Top 10 teams.

Scheduling just seems to be something no one can agree on. We play 3 patsies and half the crowd complains because that's what Indinia does, not us. We play a tough schedule and the other half complains because we're not that good and can't compete with that schedule. It's a no-win situation, especially considering non-conference schedules are sometimes set as much as a decade in advance.

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The Indiana approach is logical if you aren’t a power. You just look stupid if you still don’t win 6 games. I know we scheduled ND long ago. At the very least we should have gotten out of Oregon state and replaced them with a fish

qazplm said:

Yes a rebuild. That team lost lots of key players and the last two recruiting classes of that coach were, at best, mediocre and towards the bottom of the conference. We saw it in how weak the WRs and corners were last season and how we had key holes in both lines and of course, not enough quality LBs.

There were certainly some key spots we had good players but if we don't get Card, QB would have been mediocre at best too.

I get folks don't like Walters. I have not decided whether he's ready or not. But to suggest this was anything other than a rebuild I'm sorry it's just nonsense.

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In the Portal era, you need to be able to rebuild every year. Rebuilds can’t take more than 2 years max.

BCfanatic2020 said:

The Indiana approach is logical if you aren’t a power. You just look stupid if you still don’t win 6 games. I know we scheduled ND long ago. At the very least we should have gotten out of Oregon state and replaced them with a fish

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I’m a proponent of 2 gimmes and then 1 challenge in the non-con.

BCfanatic2020 said:

The Indiana approach is logical if you aren’t a power. You just look stupid if you still don’t win 6 games. I know we scheduled ND long ago. At the very least we should have gotten out of Oregon state and replaced them with a fish

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Because Beavers eat fish? I think there's more into "getting out of Oregon State" than you might think. Especially now that they don't have a conference.

pboiler18 said:

It’s a false narrative. A rebuild? Please.

It’s only a rebuild because we chose to hire a guy who runs a scheme that’s untenable at the P4 level with the talent we will get vs the talent we will face.

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Scheme is fine. Walters is fine but inexperienced as a head coach. Had to rebuild from Brohm leaving us hanging.

Chi-Boiler said:

Because Beavers eat fish? I think there's more into "getting out of Oregon State" than you might think. Especially now that they don't have a conference.

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I can’t stand our scheduling. It’s stupid. Now, if they came out and said that the bowls could select any big ten or SEC for a bowl if they have at least four wins, great.

z_one said:

Scheme is fine. Walters is fine but inexperienced as a head coach. Had to rebuild from Brohm leaving us hanging.

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Scheme will 100% be our downfall this year. We have the guys, just not experienced enough to handle 80+ plays of single coverage with no help.

God forbid injuries happen like they did last year.

We should help our good young corners, not expose them.

pboiler18 said:

It’s a false narrative. A rebuild? Please.

It’s only a rebuild because we chose to hire a guy who runs a scheme that’s untenable at the P4 level with the talent we will get vs the talent we will face.

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Who were the quality players that returned. I’m down to discuss this with an open mind. Are you?

New Pal Boiler said:

In the Portal era, you need to be able to rebuild every year. Rebuilds can’t take more than 2 years max.

I’m a proponent of 2 gimmes and then 1 challenge in the non-con.

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Sure. And Walter’s did well in his one fall portal period. Why the team is so much better this year.